Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. but it does have the 22" barrel and the irons , looks and feels like a MTN rifle to me. would follow that tradition. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. I'm looking for a simpler project on this one. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. Sure, you can get away with it, especially with todays extra-heavy bullets, but I think its foolish. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. Where the .338 Winchester drives its 250-grain bullet to 2650 fps, the .358 Norma beats that figure by 100 fps or so, delivering over 4,200 ft.-lbs. Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. Cartridges that in many cases cannot match the killing power, at normal hunting ranges, of comparable .35's. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. in the Big Bore Model 94. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. These include some of my favorites, such as the .358 Winchester and .45-70. As it was released in the first century of the . We owe a debt of gratitude to the engineers at the British firm of Holland & Holland; though it is lost to history who exactly designed the belted magnum cartridge, the .275 and .375 Holland & Holland Magnums were game changers. Campfire 'Bwana. This is because it was discontinued in the mid-1970s, and reintroduced by Remington in 2003. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. Quite a difference! But in those countries where the lighter cartridges are legal for the cats, the .350 Rigby Magnum is just about perfect. Powders such as IMRs Trail Boss, Accurates 5744 and IMRs discontinued SR-4759 all work with lighter bullets, and sometimes accuracy is very good, even if the gas seal is not. Somehow, years ago, I got the notion that it is not prudent to be opening the bolt face of a 700 from standard (270W) to magnum (358N). The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. with a similar 180-grain bullet. 5 Forgotten .35-Caliber Cartridges. Are They Doomed? - Field & Stream Looks like I'll do a Whelen. Its a flat shootermimicking the trajectory of a .30-06 with heavier bulletsand is fully capable as an all-around choice. In the years since, the .35 Rem. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. The major problem with light loads is getting enough pressure to provide a good gas seal. The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. [/quote]. I see no reason to shy away from it. Winchester still offers ammunition, but the guns are history. While most of the .35 caliber rifle cartridges are powerful medium bore numbers designed for use on large (CXP3) game like elk and moose, the most popular .35 caliber rifle cartridge is the .35 Remington. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. Of course, it took the .338 Winchester Magnum many years to catch on, and it took the .243/6mm cartridges over a half century after the introduction of the 6mm Lee Navy cartridge to gain popular acceptance, so perhaps there is still hope for the .35's. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. The 250-grain .358-inch bulletwith a sectional density of 0.279if properly constructed, has enough length to handle the brown bear and bison, and all of the African plains game species, plus lion and leopard. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. And with modern powders and loads, it knocks on the door of the .300 WSM and .300 Winchester Magnum. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. Hunting Shack .35 Whelen N/A Centerfire Rifle Ammo The .358 Norma Mag. Among my own favorites for the .358 Norma are the Nosler Partitions in both 225 and 250 grains, Swift A-Frames (225, 250, 280) and various Woodleighs, including the unique 310-grain Weldcore. offered the performance level of the .358 Win. What Three Dozen Elk Cartridges Taught Me - Gun Digest The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. Its a decent cartridge, but American hunters just wont flock to it. compare 338/06 vs 338 win, and 35 whelen vs 358 norma vs 358 alaskan (stw) loaded to same pressure. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. At the same time, it will do almost everything the .375 will but with vastly more versatility. No, its not exactly easy on the shoulder, but its not terrible either. 358 Win vs 35 Whelen | Graybeard Outdoors Compare the Queen of the .35's, the .350 Remington Magnum--the original short (.308 length) magnum cartridge--with the new generation of short action magnums. Three rivals: (1) .338 Winchester Magnum, (2) .358 Norma Magnum and (3) .375 H&H. The H-4895 load given in the table is not from any manual but was worked up with the assistance of Hodgdon ballistician Ron Reiber. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. . He, too, could have been one of the greats. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag. And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber. Rifle Recoil Table - CHUCKHAWKS.COM That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. I have become a 35 cal. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. In both cartridges, versatility is limited more by the narrow range of bullets available than by any other factor. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. The .357 Magnum is ideal for light game like javelina and will do for the smaller species of deer and antelope at short range. The Heavyweight .358 Norma | Handloader Magazine My 8mm Remington Magnum was stocked in dense walnut and had a long barrel. It was verry expensive to shoot, lots of powder and expensive bullets and brass. The Swedish firm of A.B. Not only that, many different bullet moulds were made for casting .358 bullets in some of the most fanciful shapes. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. Id mate it with a good 180-grain bullet, top it with a one-inch-tube scope (to save weight), and go elk hunting. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. All rights reserved. | I believe it never will. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. The 6.5mm Creedmoor and the old 6.5x55 are sound minimal choices, adequate to 300 yards. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. The .358 Norma can be loaded down to duplicate the performance of either of the two smaller cartridges. In 1968 the 600 Magnum was replaced by the Model 660 Magnum, which featured a 20-inch barrel, but it was never a big seller, and Remington dropped the rifles. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. In addition, for stopping the big predators of the world, it's hard to beat a suitable .35 caliber rifle. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. To return to our boxing analogy, the .358 Norma Magnum not only has the Hammer of Thor, but it also offers an excellent jab, a good hook, a wicked uppercut and a variety of feints. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. Like most of the children of the Holland & Holland parents, the .358 Norma uses its shoulder for headspacing, rather than the belt, as do the .375 and .300 H&H. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. Of the three, only the .358 Norma has not become a standard chambering. We argue cartridges and calibers endlessly, but bullet choice matters. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. Also as I have a lot of 357 pistol bullets I was figuring on being able to use them as reduced loads/smaller game options in either big 35 cal should I go that route. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. Today we have better bullets than when I was a kid. Essentially a .338 Magnum with a bigger mouth, the .358 Norma can push 250-grain bullets faster. The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. There is only .007-inch (seven thousandths) difference between the .270s .277-inch bullet and the 7mms .284-inch bullet. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. .50 BMG. from the 24" barrel of a Marlin 336XLR rifle. Have a .350 Rem Mag, building a .358 Win currently, would prefer to do the .358 Norma if possible but not sure if this action can handle it.Anyone? The softpoints were used for the various antelope species, dangerous cats and even buffalo, while the full-patch, non-expanding solids would be used on elephant. Can't really imagine one cartridge doing anything the other couldn't, though the availability of bigger bullets and way more factory ammo (if wanted) are definite pluses for the Mauser. This raises the obvious question: Why, with so many modern cartridges around of more or less equal power, chambered in readily available rifles, is there this lingering interest in, and loyalty to, the .358 Norma? This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. By Layne Simpson. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. The big issue with the .350 Rigby Magnum is the lack of available ammunition. Also, the 35 Whelen will not do much that your 350 and 358 already do, if anything. Mag. That does not mean that any gunsmith who had his own ideas about velocity and accuracy might not include it or go completely the other way. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. Subscriber Services. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). [quote=encorerbHmmm, makes me wonder. Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. .358 Winchester: King Of The .35 Calibers - Gun Digest Far more alternatives, in fact, than exist in several more popular caliber families. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. Short of a wounded elephant or Cape buffalo in thick cover, there is no game I can think of for which you could not concoct a load in the .358. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. The Remington Model 600 Magnum rifle, along with the cartridge it birthed, was just such a product. I was wrong. Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. 358 Norma runs 250gr partitions at 2810 with Norma 204 powder. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. In cartridges, as in boxing, what goes on behind the scenes often determines the outcome. In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. From left: (1) .35 Remington, (2) .358 Winchester and (3) .358 Norma Magnum. An earlier Western Cartridge load delivered 2,660 fps, which I suspect is closer to the truth. 11 Great .338 Caliber Rifle Cartridges - Shooting Times The .35 Rem. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. America's Rejected Caliber | An Official Journal Of The NRA A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. For this reason, anyone acquiring a .358 Norma should start low with every load and work up slowly and carefully. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. It can work in close or at a distance or dazzle you with footwork. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. .358 Norma N/A Centerfire Rifle Ammo For Sale at Classic Firearms The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. Whelen would not. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. This is comparable killing power to the long .375 H&H Magnum with a 300 grain bullet (ME 4331 ft. Not so the .358 Norma. Cartridges of .25 caliber and below are not ideal elk cartridges, especially if a big bull is a potential. Norma Oryx .35 Whelen 250gr | Norma The .35 Rem. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers.
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